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==Overview== | |||
https://www.google.com/search?q=f%C3%BCrstenberg+county | https://www.google.com/search?q=f%C3%BCrstenberg+county | ||
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in Swabia, present-day southern Baden-Württemberg, Germany. | in Swabia, present-day southern Baden-Württemberg, Germany. | ||
In the Infobox of the article it says: 1218–1408 | In the Infobox of the article it says: "1218–1408" and "Government: Principality". | ||
This is Wikipedia-nonsense. The county | This is Wikipedia-nonsense. The first line of the article claims Fürstenberg was a county. But the article title contains the word "principality". But a county is not a principality and more specifically before 1408 there was no principality of Fürstenberg in the Swabian Circle. | ||
==Name Fürstenberg for the family== | |||
According to | |||
* http://haus-fuerstenberg.de/familie/historie/ | |||
the name is first used since 1248, not 1218 as implied by the infobox. | |||
==Elevation to principality== | |||
Also what the time of elevation to principality concerns, Wikipedia contains contradictory nonsense: | |||
* German Wikipedia says it was 1664 "1664 wurden Hermann Egon aus der Linie Fürstenberg-Heiligenberg und seine geistlichen Brüder Franz Egon (Bischof von Straßburg) und Wilhelm Egon (Kardinal) von Kaiser Leopold in den Fürstenstand erhoben"[http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/F%C3%BCrstentum_F%C3%BCrstenberg] | |||
* English Wikipedia says it was 1667 "In 1667, Fürstenberg-Heiligenberg was raised to a principality and received a vote at the Reichstag." [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F%C3%BCrstenberg_(principality)] | |||
For more, the Google link: | |||
* https://www.google.com/search?q=1664+Reichsf%C3%BCrstenstand+F%C3%BCrstenberg | * https://www.google.com/search?q=1664+Reichsf%C3%BCrstenstand+F%C3%BCrstenberg | ||
The article used to be called "Fürstenberg (state)" but since there are | ==History== | ||
The article used to be called "Fürstenberg (state)" but since there are different entities called Fürstenberg that were a state, it was suggested 2011-01-19 to rename it to "Fürstenberg (county)", which followed the intro line at that time that read | |||
The County of Fürstenberg was a county of the Holy Roman Empire in Swabia, | |||
present-day southern Baden-Württemberg, Germany. | |||
Idiots jumped in, | |||
User:Pmanderson wrote | |||
Describing a Grafschaft as a county is at best misleading; it implies that the | |||
article describes an administrative division of a state, not a member state | |||
of the Imperial Diet | |||
(Well, if that would be so, then change the first line of the article?) | |||
hijacked the move proposal, and renamed the article to "principality". | |||
User:Victor_falk wrote | |||
Later elevated noble families like the Fürstenberg, Liechtenstein or | |||
Thurn und Taxis dynasties subsequently began to refer to their territory | |||
as a "principality" and assumed the awarded rank of a Prince (Fürst) | |||
as a hereditary title. | |||
No proof given, that this happened anytime between 1218–1408. | No proof given, that this happened anytime between 1218–1408. | ||
User:Orderinchaos supports this nonsense with " per Victor above - makes the most sense here - we have to be careful re WP:OR, and that one can at least be verified" - Wao. In fact exactly the other way around. It could not be verified and is OR. | User:Orderinchaos supports this nonsense with " per Victor above - makes the most sense here - we have to be careful re WP:OR, and that one can at least be verified" - Wao. In fact exactly the other way around. It could not be verified and is OR. | ||
The move itself is carried out by User:Alpha_Quadrant. | |||
Before that, User:Beyond My Ken strikes through all comments made by the only user that made logical statements in this move discussion regarding the name change towards "county". | |||
==Heise== | ==Heise== | ||
This case made it to Heise Forum | This case made it to Heise Forum and no matter what the facts are: | ||
* User Seigneur at http://www.heise.de/newsticker/foren/S-Das-groesste-Eigentor/forum-276507/msg-24937810/read/ talks about an entity that in 1667 became a principality. But that is completely irrelevant, since the article in question has a time span tag with an end time before that. | * User Seigneur at http://www.heise.de/newsticker/foren/S-Das-groesste-Eigentor/forum-276507/msg-24937810/read/ talks about an entity that in 1664 (Wikipedia quote 1) or 1667 (Wikipedia quote 2) became a principality. So he shows only more nonsense. But that is completely irrelevant, since the article in question has a time span tag with an end time before that. | ||
* User Gibbon at http://www.heise.de/newsticker/foren/S-Re-Qualitaet-liefern-und-auf-Algorithmen-und-Menschen-vertrauen/forum-276507/msg-24937815/read/ writes: "Dein Link ist hier der einzige Blödsinn." | * User Gibbon at http://www.heise.de/newsticker/foren/S-Re-Qualitaet-liefern-und-auf-Algorithmen-und-Menschen-vertrauen/forum-276507/msg-24937815/read/ writes: "Dein Link ist hier der einzige Blödsinn." | ||
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Overview
https://www.google.com/search?q=f%C3%BCrstenberg+county
First hit:
Fürstenberg (principality) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fürstenberg_(principality) Fürstenberg was a county (German: Graftschaft) of the Holy Roman Empire in Swabia, present-day southern Baden-Württemberg, Germany.
In the Infobox of the article it says: "1218–1408" and "Government: Principality".
This is Wikipedia-nonsense. The first line of the article claims Fürstenberg was a county. But the article title contains the word "principality". But a county is not a principality and more specifically before 1408 there was no principality of Fürstenberg in the Swabian Circle.
Name Fürstenberg for the family
According to
the name is first used since 1248, not 1218 as implied by the infobox.
Elevation to principality
Also what the time of elevation to principality concerns, Wikipedia contains contradictory nonsense:
- German Wikipedia says it was 1664 "1664 wurden Hermann Egon aus der Linie Fürstenberg-Heiligenberg und seine geistlichen Brüder Franz Egon (Bischof von Straßburg) und Wilhelm Egon (Kardinal) von Kaiser Leopold in den Fürstenstand erhoben"[1]
- English Wikipedia says it was 1667 "In 1667, Fürstenberg-Heiligenberg was raised to a principality and received a vote at the Reichstag." [2]
For more, the Google link:
History
The article used to be called "Fürstenberg (state)" but since there are different entities called Fürstenberg that were a state, it was suggested 2011-01-19 to rename it to "Fürstenberg (county)", which followed the intro line at that time that read
The County of Fürstenberg was a county of the Holy Roman Empire in Swabia, present-day southern Baden-Württemberg, Germany.
Idiots jumped in,
User:Pmanderson wrote Describing a Grafschaft as a county is at best misleading; it implies that the article describes an administrative division of a state, not a member state of the Imperial Diet
(Well, if that would be so, then change the first line of the article?)
hijacked the move proposal, and renamed the article to "principality".
User:Victor_falk wrote Later elevated noble families like the Fürstenberg, Liechtenstein or Thurn und Taxis dynasties subsequently began to refer to their territory as a "principality" and assumed the awarded rank of a Prince (Fürst) as a hereditary title.
No proof given, that this happened anytime between 1218–1408.
User:Orderinchaos supports this nonsense with " per Victor above - makes the most sense here - we have to be careful re WP:OR, and that one can at least be verified" - Wao. In fact exactly the other way around. It could not be verified and is OR.
The move itself is carried out by User:Alpha_Quadrant.
Before that, User:Beyond My Ken strikes through all comments made by the only user that made logical statements in this move discussion regarding the name change towards "county".
Heise
This case made it to Heise Forum and no matter what the facts are:
- User Seigneur at http://www.heise.de/newsticker/foren/S-Das-groesste-Eigentor/forum-276507/msg-24937810/read/ talks about an entity that in 1664 (Wikipedia quote 1) or 1667 (Wikipedia quote 2) became a principality. So he shows only more nonsense. But that is completely irrelevant, since the article in question has a time span tag with an end time before that.
- User Gibbon at http://www.heise.de/newsticker/foren/S-Re-Qualitaet-liefern-und-auf-Algorithmen-und-Menschen-vertrauen/forum-276507/msg-24937815/read/ writes: "Dein Link ist hier der einzige Blödsinn."