OpenStreetMap/SE/Proposal to convert keys lst:diarienr, lst:nvrid to ref:SE:diarienr and ref:SE:nvrid

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Proposal to convert keys lst:diarienr, lst:nvrid to ref:SE:diarienr and ref:SE:nvrid

user NKA :

1. "I think you should stop changing ref’s in Sweden now.

Too much guessing is currently involved, and there is no or little involvement from the Swedish community. Several of the suggested updates are not real refs, they are just extra attributes which were included in earlier imports. A cleanup could be needed, but it will have to be done by people who understand the Swedish source data, preferably the ones who did the original imports. Also, import wiki’s and scripts will need updates. Your edits are already disrupting several update/import scripts which are being used in Sweden (specifically, when identifying administrative boundaries)."

user 02JanDal Jan Dalheimer

1. "Agree with previous replies, while there are tags in Sweden that would benefit from a cleanup, you are not in the right position to drive it."
   1. On which facts is that statement based? Is it respecting: https://community.openstreetmap.org/faq “Please avoid:” … “* Ad hominem attacks”
2. "Just as a concrete example; changing lst:diarienr to ref:SE:diarienr would result in a useless tag, in a way which is pretty obvious to any native Swede (or anyone spending 10 seconds googling the terms) (and yes, that also means that the existing ref:SE:diarienr-tags should be renamed, but doing so correctly would require significant detective work)."
   1. @[Just as a concrete example; changing lst:diarienr to ref:SE:diarienr would result in a useless tag, in a way which is pretty obvious to any native Swede (or anyone spending 10 seconds googling the terms)]: "How was that conclusion derived? What makes lst:diarienr and ref:SE:diarienr tags? According to https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tags these tag-parts are keys?"
      1. @[How was that conclusion derived]: "Knowing Swedish, a little (on the level of what can be considered common knowledge) about how Swedish governmental agencies work, and thus what “diarienr” means."
      2. @[Why would the addition of “SE:” or “ref:SE:” and lower-casing turn these into “a useless tag]: Because with the prefix lst: they are not useless. (yes, this could simply be solved by keeping the prefix and renaming to something like ref:SE:lst:diarienr, which was my point that you need to have some local language knowledge in order to be able to come up with a working proposal)
         1. @[Because with the prefix lst: they are not useless.]: But as pointed out they didn’t have that prefix before renaming.
            1. NO REPLY FROM 02JanDal
   2. @[(and yes, that also means that the existing ref:SE:diarienr-tags should be renamed, but doing so correctly would require significant detective work).]": “the existing ref:SE:diarienr” are the result of renaming from

      1. "ref:DIARIENR", https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/ref:DIARIENR
      2. "ref:diarienr", https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/ref:diarienr
      3. "DIARIENR", https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/DIARIENR

      and maybe other variants. Why would the addition of "SE:" or "ref:SE:" and lower-casing turn these into "a useless tag, in a way which is pretty obvious to any native Swede (or anyone spending 10 seconds googling the terms)"

      1. NO REPLY FROM 02JanDal
   3. @ both: Was it checked whether "any native Swede (or anyone spending 10 seconds googling the terms)" 1) inserted "ref:DIARIENR" or "ref:diarienr" or "DIARIENR" into OSM? 2) agreed to the renaming?
      1. NO REPLY FROM 02JanDal