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==List==
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! Kosovo
! Kosovo
! Crimea
! Crimea
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| Referendum
| Yes
| Yes
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| Claim there was ethnic cleansing
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| Bombing of former host country
| Bombing of former host country
| Yes, by NATO
| Yes, by NATO
| None.
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| Bombing of chemical plants
| Yes.
| None.
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| Effects on health of civilian population in former host country
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* several deaths
* increase of cancer rates [http://www.zeit.de/2001/05/Verseuchte_Gebiete]
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| None.
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| No.
| No.
| No.
| No.
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| Referendum
| Yes
| Yes
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==2014-03-10 David L. Phillips==
==2014-03-10 David L. Phillips==
Tim Peters from the CDU Brussels pointed to:
Tim Peters from the CDU Brussels pointed to:
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After replying to him, he did cancel the "friendship" in Facebook. Fits well with the EP conservatives and Greens which tried to pass a text that said Schröder "should make no public statements about Russia" [http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/european-parliament-wants-to-muzzle-ukraine-comments-from-schroeder-a-958497.html]. Anyway, thanks for the link!
After replying to him, he did cancel the "friendship" in Facebook. Fits well with the EP conservatives and Greens which tried to pass a text that said Schröder "should make no public statements about Russia" [http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/european-parliament-wants-to-muzzle-ukraine-comments-from-schroeder-a-958497.html]. Anyway, thanks for the link!


Analyzing the content of the linked page:
* /''Russia is pointing to the "Kosovo precedent" as justification for its actions in Crimea.''/ - Where did it? There is the 2nd chapter in http://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/ausland/europa/krim-krise-putin-brueskiert-die-serben-12832912.html which mentions the position of Putin, that "nur die Bürger, die in einem bestimmten Territorium leben, über deren Zukunft bestimmen können" (only the citizens that live in a certain territory can determine the future [of the territory, or the people? article is unclear]) -> '''Probably a false claim.'''
* /''Russia is pointing to the "Kosovo precedent" as justification for its actions in Crimea.''/ - Where did it? There is the 2nd chapter in http://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/ausland/europa/krim-krise-putin-brueskiert-die-serben-12832912.html which mentions the position of Putin, that "nur die Bürger, die in einem bestimmten Territorium leben, über deren Zukunft bestimmen können" (only the citizens that live in a certain territory can determine the future [of the territory, or the people? article is unclear]) -> '''Probably a false claim.'''



Latest revision as of 2014-04-22T18:20:07

List

Kosovo Crimea
Claim there was ethnic cleansing Yes No
Western recognition of border change Yes, partially No.
Pre-independence host country Serbia Ukraine
Bombing of former host country Yes, by NATO None.
Bombing of chemical plants Yes. None.
Effects on health of civilian population in former host country
  • several deaths
  • increase of cancer rates [1]
None.
Secession allowed by constitution of former host country No. No.
Referendum Yes Yes

2014-03-10 David L. Phillips

Tim Peters from the CDU Brussels pointed to:

After replying to him, he did cancel the "friendship" in Facebook. Fits well with the EP conservatives and Greens which tried to pass a text that said Schröder "should make no public statements about Russia" [2]. Anyway, thanks for the link!

Analyzing the content of the linked page:

  • /Russia is pointing to the "Kosovo precedent" as justification for its actions in Crimea./ - Where did it? There is the 2nd chapter in http://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/ausland/europa/krim-krise-putin-brueskiert-die-serben-12832912.html which mentions the position of Putin, that "nur die Bürger, die in einem bestimmten Territorium leben, über deren Zukunft bestimmen können" (only the citizens that live in a certain territory can determine the future [of the territory, or the people? article is unclear]) -> Probably a false claim.
  • /Kosovo's independence is based on international law; Russia's annexation of Crimea is not./ - As of 2014-03-10 there is no annexation.
  • /Yugoslavia's 1974 constitution established Kosovo as an autonomous province with the same rights as Yugoslavia's republics, which included the right to secession./ - Since the province was part of the republic of Serbia this is impossible. -> False claim.
    • http://www.icty.org/x/cases/slobodan_milosevic/trans/en/041201IT.htm Page 33993: "The 1974 constitution gave the province practically all of the functions which the republics had. Not all of them but practically all of them in the Yugoslavia at the time."
    • Page 33995: "The constitution of 1974 practically denied Serbia all rights in Kosovo. The province became practically equal to the republic, both the province of Kosovo and the province of Vojvodina. There were only two differences: One was that the constitution in Serbia had Article 300, making for some singular or united solutions for the whole of the republic; and the second was that the Council of States and Republics had 12 delegates while the number of deputies from the provinces were eight. This was a symbolic difference in the numbers, but the rights that these delegations had were absolutely the same, both in the federal Chamber, there were 30 and 20 deputies."
    • Page 34006: "For instance, the citizenship of the Republic of Serbia, because there was no citizenship of the province; right?" - "Right." ... "They wanted to demonstrate that the province was practically a republic. They wanted to put a mark of equality between the province and the republic." ... province wants to grant citizenship to immigrants coming from Albania.
    • Page 34013: "What they wanted was secession from Serbia. They wanted Kosovo to become a republic."
    • Page 34043: "Mr. Jokanovic, for the Assembly of Serbia to be able to pass these amendments, it was necessary to receive the approval of both provinces; is that so?" - "Yes." - "Was it necessary to have the approval of the Republic of Serbia for provincial assemblies to pass amendments?" - "No. Serbia's approval was not necessary. Provinces could change their constitutions independently."
  • /which included the right to secession/ -> any trustworthy citation?
  • /Kosovars exercised their constitutional right to secede in a 1992 referendum./ -> any trustworthy citation?

2014-10-13 Anatoly Vorobey

  • /at least because in one place was protracted civil war, and the other does not. / - There will always be some differences between two situations in two territories. But, as far as international law and "legality" are concerned, how are the differences relevant? Should the Crimeans start a civil war first to get their referendum accepted by the EU/NATO/USA?